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A cada semana, parece haver revelações mais perturbadoras sobre o caso Jeffrey Epstein. Vítimas, colaboradores,

Todo tipo de evidência, fotos e documentos que se transformam em algo gráfico.

detalhes sobre o que Jeffrey Epstein estava fazendo. Recentemente, nos últimos dias desta gravação, foi publicado um artigo.

saiu na revista dominical do New York Times falando sobre os estágios iniciais dos golpes de Jeffrey Epstein e o

A maneira como ele conseguiu acumular uma fortuna, o que lhe permitiu levar adiante esse esquema de tráfico humano. E nós estamos

Ouvir mais relatos das vítimas e dos sobreviventes, incluindo Juliet Bryant, que

Ela conheceu Epstein na África do Sul quando tinha apenas 20 anos. E ela tem uma história angustiante para contar, não apenas sobre

as coisas que ela o viu fazer, mas as experiências, incluindo coisas que eram

Crimes médicos nunca antes relatados, coisas que vão te chocar. E nós somos

Que sorte ter Juliet Bryant aqui comigo, vinda diretamente da África do Sul. Juliet, muito obrigada por...

Por que não se sentar comigo? Como vai? Oi, Chris. Muito obrigado por me receber. Hum, estou bem, considerando...

circunstâncias. Sim, fácil, tudo o que eu passei, assim como muitas outras vítimas.

E é por isso que estou aqui, falando em nome das vítimas, tanto as vivas quanto as mortas. Sabe, Juliet, e vamos abordar tudo isso.

disso aqui, mas levanta a questão: de certa forma, seria mais fácil para você não falar sobre isso, enterrar o assunto,

apenas para seguir em frente com a sua vida. Por que é tão importante para você continuar falando sobre isso, compartilhar o

Detalhes sobre o que você sobreviveu, o que você suportou por causa de Jeffrey Epstein?

Excelente pergunta. Obrigado, Chris. Bem, seria mais fácil para mim simplesmente viver minha vida e ignorar tudo isso, mas eu

Não posso ignorar tudo isso. Não quando pessoas foram assassinadas. Não posso ficar sentada e feliz enquanto pessoas são feridas.

e me mataram. Além disso, aqueles desgraçados me machucaram tanto que eu nunca mais vou ficar bem depois do que fizeram comigo. Estou ficando

Melhor a cada dia, mas é por isso que me manifesto contra eles, em defesa das pessoas que foram prejudicadas. Eles me prejudicaram, mas eles...

magoa os outros ainda mais. E é por isso que estou aqui falando abertamente. Sabe, Juliet, vamos voltar ao começo. Como vocês se conheceram?

Jeffrey Epstein? Em que circunstâncias? Como tudo isso aconteceu? Foi na África do Sul. Correto.

Sim. Bem, o que aconteceu foi que eu... eu estava começando a estudar psicologia na...

a Universidade da Cidade do Cabo e então comecei a fazer trabalhos de modelo nas horas vagas porque, você sabe, minha família não tinha...

Eu tinha muito dinheiro e foi difícil para mim chegar à universidade. Eu não tinha dinheiro para gasolina. Então eu tive que fazer tipo...

É um tipo de trabalho, obviamente, como a maioria das pessoas faz. Então eu trabalhava como modelo e fui descoberta por um olheiro. Na verdade, eu consegui...

Fui descoberta pela primeira vez aos 14 anos pela Elite Model Management. Minha mãe não me deixava viajar. Então esses bastardos,

you know, they go for girls when they're even younger. But what happened is when I was um 20, I was doing modeling and

basically I went I went out with a friend of mine to a restaurant like bar

where they had like free drinks for models cuz you know young girls will always go with these like free drinks and free food or whatever you know when

you're poor. And then um what happened is when I was at that place, a girl approached me and she told me that she

worked um well she didn't say she worked with him. She said that her friend Jeffrey Epstein who's like the um King

of America was here with his best friend Bill Clinton and he worked with Leslie Wexner, the owner of Victoria's Secret,

and they could really help with my modeling career. She also said that Kevin Spacy and Chris Tucker were here with him. So, of course, it sounded like

um you know, I I almost didn't believe it because cuz I coming from Africa, you know, I just turned 20 and I never met

any celebrities in my life. So, I was like but I was like obviously very interested to meet them because it

sounded like my dreams were all coming true. What was it like, Juliet, when you first met Ebstein himself? What were the

circumstances? What was the environment? What was the vibe? Well, they were all sitting around a

table having dinner and there were like some South African government officials sitting with them. and they all stood up

during dinner and and stood up to shake my hand. So, I mean, for me, I was like

more interested in seeing like Bill Clinton and Kevin Spacy. I didn't know who this man Jeffrey Epstein was. It just sounded like he worked with them

and he did helped with modeling. So, I um but you know, I I was I was more like

Starruck meeting Clinton and Spacy. It was Kevin Spacy, Chris Tucker, Bill Clinton, Jeffrey Epstein, and that's a

starstudded table for somebody to walk into. You must have been overwhelmed by

this. I was so overwhelmed. Um, I was I was completely starruck cuz like I said, I

you know, I've never seen a celebrity in my life. And it just seemed like so legitimate, you know, that these people

were all together and the girl told me that they were scouting models and it

just seemed like the most legitimate opportunity of my life. And I I just I still wonder how I was dumb enough to

get on the airplane and go off there. But the thing is, I've realized, you know, these guys are conmen.

They're the conmen of all. they be able to um catch someone who's 40, someone who's 70. So, you know, a 20-year-old's

an easy fish to catch, right? Exactly. And and while you were of the age of consent, the grooming process

that you were exposed to is the very same grooming process that they used on

on thousands of women, some of whom were underageed. What was your first dealing with Jeffrey

Epste? You you have this dinner, you see all these politicians and and uh

comedians and stars and and you you get brought into this. What was your first

dealing specifically with Epstein himself? Well, you see, when I was taken there, I didn't even sit with him at the table.

Like, they just stood up and shook my hand and then we stayed there for like 5 10 minutes and then we left. So then

what happened is the girl who approached me and scouted me for him or or recruited me, this girl phoned me after

that and she said that oh Epstein really liked me and wanted to see my modding portfolio. He thought I would be great

for Victoria's Secret. So the next day I was invited to a modding casting at the hotel where they were staying in the

Cape Grace Hotel. So um but but what Nea said is that they're actually doing a speech at the Western Cape Peninsula

University and would I like to come and watch the speech first before the casting. So of course I thought I said

of course I you know I wanted to go. So I went to the hotel. I probably arrived there at like 9 or 10:00 a.m. in the

morning and they had these like mini buses outside and and the one bus um

Epstein and Clinton and Kevin Spacy, they all got in and then I was told to get in the bus behind and then the whole

highway was closed off in Cape Town. I've never seen anything like it. Like every every ramp where you came to,

there would be like police waiting like on on bikes and stuff like everything was like so shut down. I've never seen

anything like that in my life. And then he gave his speech at the um lower

income university. And while he was doing it, Kevin Space, he had a handheld device and he went like this and filmed

everyone in the hall cuz he was sitting in front of me. You see, I was sitting behind him and it wasn't like the kind

of um place you'd imagine the ex-president of America to do a speech.

It was a very basic lower income university, but they were filming all the all the students in the hall.

And so after you listened to this speech, did you have another meeting with Epstein? Was it this woman who was a

go-between or how did that all come together? Well, well, well, what happened after this is that we went back to the K Grace

where they were staying in the mini buses and then I went to my car. I had a city golf, you know, like a very basic

um small car. I went to get my modeling portfolio out of my car so I could go in for the um casting. So then I went back

into the hotel and they had all gone in like I was on my own. I went to get my you know after we come back from the

speech and then I walked up and then um what happened is there were three girls

sitting along a long table. They were all posing as modeling agents. They pretended that they worked for Karen

Modeling Agency and they went through my modeling book and um then they said and

while while they were doing the casting, Bill Clinton walked through like say I'm sitting here. walked through behind me

and he's like, "Hi everyone." And then he went into an adjoining suite. So it looked like they were sharing the

executive suite, the president suite of the hotel. What happened then is after these girls looked at my modeling book,

they said, "Right, you can go through and see Epstein now." So I went through and I sat opposite Epstein and he looked

through my modeling book and he said, "Right, I think you'd be perfect for Victoria's Secret." And then you know

what happened is is after I left there his office started phoning and arranging

me my visa and to get me there they had me there within 3 weeks basically. And was it your impression that that

Jeffrey Epstein was actually representing Victoria's Secret in terms of somebody who was finding models and

recruiting models? Yes. He made it very clear that he worked with Leslie Wexner and that he

was looking for models for Victoria's Secret for Leslie Wexner. When you finished that meeting, Juliet, was it

your impression that, hey, I've got a real shot here to be a model for Victoria's Secret? This is the big

breakthrough that I've been trying to to get as a young model.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's horrible. Yeah. I I really believed it all. I was I was

stupid. But but but then again, maybe I wasn't stupid. Like a lot of people say, they would have been conned by people

like that. That's well you would you certainly are far from the only one who's fallen for this.

I mean obviously they you see somebody who's with the president a former president of the United States who's

with you know highlevel celebrities and and why would you not believe it if a

guy says that he's representing you know uh Leslie Wexner of of limited brands

and the owner of Victoria's Secret. I mean it would seem to me that

you'd be all in your your rights to say this is a legitimate deal. and he was with Bill Clinton. You know,

it just seems so legitimate. It seemed like the most legitimate opportunity of my whole life.

Well, because they tried to deploy me. And what year would have this been, Juliet? Take your time.

Was in 2002. 2002. I met them September 26, 2002.

When you came to the United States, where did you go? Did you go to New York? Well, yeah. What happened is um there

was a man waiting for my me with a name on on a board. He was like standing there with my name on a board and it

seemed like so legitimate you know this name on the you know it just well I mean I just thought like oh my god I'm going

to be like a celebrity. It was just like, "What the hell is going on?" You know? I was so excited. And then then

the driver was driving me and I kept looking at all the billboards in New York. And I was like thinking, "Oh my gosh, I'm going to like be able to solve

all my family's problems." And and anyway, yeah. Then they dropped me off at 301 E66 Street, the modeling

apartment, and I was in there for about 5 minutes, and then the phone rang, and it was Sarah Kellen, and she said, "Pack

your things. We're going to the Caribbean." I obviously assumed it was for a modeling shoot or something. You know, I she said pack a small bag. So, I

had to leave my big bag there and then bring a few small things to go to this island and um you know I didn't I didn't

have my phone with me. I didn't have any money because I asked them before like I told them I don't have any money and

they said no don't worry we will deduct the money from your modeling jobs. You know they said I don't need money. So I

was basically just completely trapped and stuck. And then what happened is the driver came back and he drove me to

Terborough airport and then Epstein was sitting on the front of the plane and he like patted the chair like this next to

him and then I went and sat there and then as soon as the airplane took off he started for touching me in between my

legs forcibly and then I realized these people are going to try to kill me. I immediately knew that if I didn't do

what they want they're going to kill me. I knew it. I felt it. What made you think that they would kill you, Juliet,

if you didn't do what they wanted, just the power? It was just I felt it strongly. Um, it

was just that I'd gone there for this modeling opportunity and suddenly I was being whisked away by these very rich,

dangerous, powerful people. I mean, obviously at the time I didn't know how dangerous they were, but I just got a

very strong feeling. I realized I'd been lied to basically Chris because the thing is I thought I was going to New

York to stay in a modeling apartment and I was being sent for castings. And then suddenly when I got taken off on the

airplane, he was touching me between my legs. I suddenly realized, "Oh my god, my family never going to see me again."

I felt so terrible. I don't even want to talk about it. Sorry. Well, you totally understand, Juliet.

They left my name. Sorry. I'm sorry. They left my name on that flight. So if

I gone missing, no one would have known what had happened to me. Right. Juliet wanted.

Juliet, this was Epstein's private plane, was it? Yeah. Okay. And you flew down to his island?

Yeah. In the American Virgin Islands. Yeah. Then I knew I had to do whatever they

wanted. Otherwise, they would have killed me. It was pretty obvious. Especially since my name was left off

that flight log. So, they never even put you on that flight log?

No, my name was on the other flight logs. That one, they left my name off. So, if I gone missing, no one would have

known what had happened to me. And did this sexual assault continue throughout the flight?

I'm sorry. Sorry, but I'm going to get so stress. I'm so sorry. Go ahead.

You can't get arrested for smoking, right? No, no, no, no, no, no. You're fine. Did this sexual assault by Epstein continue

for the rest of the flight? And was there anybody else on the plane? The girls who posed as modding agents

and when he saw touched me, they just laughed at me. They just laughed. So they thought this was a big joke that

this was just a playtime for Epstein

and they thought it was very funny.

I'm so sorry to cry like this. It's all right. We understand.

And the flight presumably was 3 to 4 hours and you get down there after being

assaulted, touched by Epstein. What happens when you actually get to the island, Juliet?

Well, they showed me the remos. Um, we are I mean, first of all, you first of all,

you had to be freaked out by the time you got there that you know, you thought you were getting involved in this legitimate modeling opportunity.

Suddenly, you're wished away to go to the island. I'm sure you thought it was for a shoot at that time and then you

get, you know, treated this way, assaulted by Epstein. And now you're on this island with no communication, no

cell phone. Did you even have a passport at this point?

They had my passport. They had all all my things like that. They said they had to have it for the

flight. But the thing is, when we flew anywhere, no one ever checked anything on the plane. They never checked any

passports. They never checked anything. None of the cargo. Nothing was checked. It we never went through any possible

control on those planes. Basically, you'd land and a two cars would arrive and everything would be put on and you'd

leave. Nothing was ever checked. What happened when you got to the compound?

Well, first of all, we landed in, you know, I don't know if it's St. Thomas or St. Barts, wherever they land, St.

Martins, and then we took a helicopter from there. You know, I was just like I firstly I hadn't slept on this flight

from South Africa, you know, the 20-hour flight from South Africa. I was so excited thinking all my dreams are coming true. So I was absolutely

exhausted. I'd also never even left South Africa. I'd never ever traveled without my my mom. You know, I'd never

been anywhere out of the country. So I was just completely freaked out.

And when we arrived there, they basically um showed me the room I was going to be staying in the chalet. And

then they kept that's when they started calling me to Epstein's room. After that, you know what happened is then the

next day like another girl was boarded. And then the girl started giving him a [ __ ] in front of me in a m during he

was watching a movie and I got so scared and I ran away. Basically it was just very very frightening and horrible. You

know it was just it was a very very frightening place to be trapped as a young girl. And you were sexually assaulted by

Epstein. Yeah. Many times. You know I kept getting called to his room.

There's a lot of weird stuff with all of that too, you know.

Well, I'm sorry you had to endure that. I mean,

it's just beyond belief that they could trick somebody at this level and do it so many times. How long,

Juliet, were you on the island during that particular visit? Well, um, the first time I was taken

there, we were there for about like four or five days. Then we went to Palm Beach

cuz the thing is they never used to tell anyone before they were like leaving, you know? They never used to like tell

us the night before they were going somewhere else. They they like basically like half an hour before they'd be like,

"Pack your things where we're going." And then we wouldn't know where we were going cuz they obviously didn't want anyone knowing where they were going.

And then um yeah, we went to Palm Beach. And then after that um in Palm Beach, I

was taken to his office and he told me he worked with the CIA. He told me that he had my family's name on a list and he

told me that a girl accused him of rape and he planted drugs in her apartment and sent her to prison. After that I was

sent to New York and they made my hair blonde and my teeth white by Frederick

Fakai the hair salon man and then I was sent back to South Africa and then they

brought me back again cuz by that point I was so broken. People ask why did I go back? I didn't want to disobey this man.

It was quite clear that he was going to try and kill anyone who disobeyed him.

Juliet, there came a point during all this where you were at his ranch in New

Mexico, and this to me is one of the more harrowing

untold stories of the exploitation and abuse by Jeffrey Epstein. explain to me

what happened down there in terms of these experiments or medical

crimes that he had committed against you.

Well, you know, it's so hard to actually explain all of it and and and but you

know, I I I I I woke up in a laboratory there with like six people in hazmat

suits and a female doctor working on me and and this is at this is at just so people

know, this is at Epstein's Ranch in New Mexico. Yeah. Epstein's Ranch in New Mexico.

And why were you brought there? Why? Why did they tell you you were What did they tell you in terms of why you were going

there? Nothing. I was never told anything.

Just you're going to we're going to the the ranch in New Mexico and you're coming along

there. And yeah, I mean, I can't really explain it all very clearly because I don't really

know more of what they were doing, but I do know what happened to me. Why did you think you were going to New

Mexico? What did you think was going to happen there when you flew there from South Africa?

I actually don't even know. I mean, the thing is had such a hold on me and

so many other people. It's almost like he was running a bit of a cult, you know, and he would find people and like sort of try to control them. And the

thing is like no one disobeyed Epstein. Like disobeying them would have been a very bad idea, you know. Look at look at

the Maxwells, you know, and all those families. are very very dangerous. You know, being around Epstein was being it

was like a mouse being around a snake, like a mouse with a puffer or a cobra.

That's how I felt. And did you think at the time when you were in New Mexico that there was still a chance that you

could score a modeling job out of this?

I don't even know by that point. Like I was such a mess by that point to be honest, you know. Um

I suppose I don't know what I thought by that point. I I think the thing is that

he' taken such great advantage of me and it was just the whole thing had like messed me up so badly. You know, when I

came back from there, I had terrible panic attacks. I was hospitalized like 10 times. I was put on tranquilizers. I

was a real mess. It's like that's a lot of people judge and say like, "Oh, why did you go back?" The thing is when

you're kidnapped by someone like that, you don't come back feeling okay. These people are very powerful. They're very,

very clever. They know what they're doing. They know how to [ __ ] around with the young person. You know, I was 20 years old. If they took me now, I'd be a

little more able to deal with it. But not really. That's why they wouldn't take me now. They take someone who's 20.

Tell me what happened to you in New Mexico. This medical crime that was committed against you.

Well, I just I woke I don't even know what they did. I woke up in a lab. There were people working on me. Um, you know,

it wasn't like a usual sort of hospital area. It was just there's something very very

weird that happened and I I don't know what it is. There's a lot of weird stuff that they try to do. I mean, if I knew

more, I'd be dead, right? So, I guess I'm figuring it out with you. I don't really know what they did because

So, you woke up. You woke up in what was essentially some sort of a makeshift operating room at Epstein's Ranch in New

Mexico. you saw them committing some sort of medical crime, some sort of

procedure upon you and did you ever feel any sort of physical pain or trauma or

were you ever able to confirm exactly what what they what they did? I know you've gotten trauma from the whole

experience, but was it please I thought I was going to [ __ ] die every day. Yeah,

they did sound serious to me and I know they did because I've like abused myself many times in my life, but I've never

felt as bad as I did when I came back from that place. What do you think they did? Were you

ever able to confirm it or or figure out exactly what they did to you down there?

I can't confirm it exactly, but as we all know, there's a big cover up going on here. And I think these criminals are

capable of a lot more than any of us can comprehend. So, I mean, I wish I knew the truth, but if I did no more, I'd

probably be dead. And like I said before, like they probably want me dead already. I can't go out. I can't even go

para a praia. Tenho sido seguido. Meus pneus foram furados. Eu sei que não estou louco. Tenho saído na Cidade do Cabo.

Toda a minha vida. Quando era menina, eu costumava andar de trem. Eu costumava pegar táxi. Eu não tinha problema nenhum em sair quando era jovem.

Sou uma garota da Cidade do Cabo. Mas hoje em dia não consigo sair porque meus pneus são furados.

Como você finalmente conseguiu se livrar das garras de Epstein? Como você finalmente

Escapar? Qual foi o fator decisivo que te fez dizer: "Chega. Vou embora. Estou fora daqui."

Essa é, na verdade, uma ótima pergunta, porque você sabe o que começou a acontecer? As pessoas começaram a...

ir atrás dele. Havia um artigo na Vanity Fair em que Maria Farmer e Annie Farmer estavam, você sabe, atrás dele e

Então, acho que o problema é que ele não podia mais trazer garotas do exterior. Ficou muito perigoso para ele.

Ele porque a hora em que me deixou ir foi a hora em que ele estava prestes a ser pego. Appar nunca foi realmente colocado em

prisão. É tudo mentira. Mas, bem, ele precisava ser um pouco mais cauteloso com seus atos.

Então você acha que as pessoas começaram a perceber a farsa de Epstein? Ele estava enfrentando acusações.

No Miami Herald, por exemplo. Ele estava enfrentando acusações criminais, embora, você sabe, um querido.

Como sabemos, ele fez um acordo judicial. Mas você acha que ele desistiu de tentar te prender porque...

Era uma situação internacional e ele estava sob os holofotes na época. Mas não é só isso. Ele também disse

Ele deixou bem claro que mulheres com mais de 22 anos não são mais atraentes. Simplesmente disse que as garotas não são mais úteis.

depois dos 22. Então, a questão é que ele tentou me convencer a ficar lá. Ele me ofereceu US$ 4.000 por mês para ficar lá e trabalhar.

com ele. Dois mil dólares por qualquer garota que eu encontrasse para ele. Mas eu não aceitei nada disso porque, sabe, eu simplesmente não queria.

Queria estar lá. Queria estar em casa com minha mãe, meus animais e minha família.

Você ainda mantém contato com alguns dos outros sobreviventes? Vocês se falam? Eu converso bastante com a Annie Farmer. Ela é uma

Mulher incrível. Annie e Maria. Maria também passou por muita coisa. Hum, nós conversamos.

Fale com eles. Hum, não tenho contato com muitos outros sobreviventes. Ontem mesmo consegui entrar em contato com...

Haley. Hum, Robson, eu vi que você deu uma entrevista para o Haiti, certo? Claro. Absolutamente. E meus sentimentos estão com...

Meu coração está com todos vocês, porque, sério, é simplesmente...

É chocante que ele tenha conseguido se safar disso por tanto tempo. Você, Julieta, por acaso...?

Conhecer Les Wexner? Não. Não, eu não o conheci.

Você se surpreende que um cara como Epstein, sabe, um universitário que abandonou os estudos, tenha sido capaz de...

enganar todas essas pessoas ao longo do caminho até acumular uma enorme fortuna que lhe permitiu...

Como é possível realizar esse tipo de tráfico humano em uma escala tão grande? Quer dizer, é... é incrível para mim e para...

Muitas outras pessoas também conseguiram fazer isso com ele. E isso levanta algumas questões.

sobre o que ele sabia sobre Les Wexner. Agora Wexner negou qualquer irregularidade. Ele não foi acusado de nenhum crime.

Mas, ao longo do caminho, as reportagens recentes sobre o assunto indicam que, apesar do assessor de Wexner ter dito: "Fique longe de..."

Epstein. Ele é um cara mau." Ele permaneceu leal a ele e, na verdade, você sabe,

continuaram a investir dinheiro e a dar dinheiro a Epstein, o que lhe permitiu ser um dos principais intervenientes nestes círculos muito ricos.

círculos. Quer dizer, como é que um cara consegue se safar disso? É. Não, tem muitas histórias.

sobre tudo isso. Hum, o que eu percebi, sabe, é que o XG nunca me disse que era professor de matemática. Ele me disse que usava

Ele queria ser motorista de táxi e disse que tinha sua própria frota de táxis e tal, e me contou que costumava dar carona para as garotas de graça.

corridas para [ __ ] Então, não entendo como um motorista de táxi se torna repentinamente um professor de matemática. E também, se você olhar para

Nos artigos sobre o fato de Epstein ser professor de matemática, há uma foto dele com o quadro e ele escreveu algo.

nome incorreto. É como Epston sem o E. Então, que tipo de matemática é essa?

O professor escreveu o nome errado? Além disso, se ele fosse professor de matemática, certamente alguns de seus alunos teriam se manifestado.

E já foi dito. Correto. Além disso, no que diz respeito a ser pedófilo, seria de se esperar que alguns dos alunos tivessem...

Havia processos contra ele. Onde estão todos os alunos? Gostaria de ouvir a opinião de uma pessoa que estava na escola de Jeffrey Epstein.

aula de matemática, sabe, porque essas pessoas, esses alunos, terão por volta de 40, 50 ou 60 anos agora, você

Sei que eles estarão vivos. Onde estão esses alunos na aula de matemática dele? É isso que eu quero saber. Como você acha que Epstein conseguiu se safar?

Isso por tanto tempo? Tivemos tantas oportunidades ao longo do caminho.

Foi poder? Foi dinheiro? Foi chantagem? O que você acha com base no que viu? Eu acho que ele é

A fachada de uma grande empresa. Há uma grande empresa por trás dele. E acho que havia outras pessoas o protegendo.

Hum, eu não acredito que ele fosse realmente um professor de matemática como eu estava dizendo. Hum, você

Sei também como ele começou a trabalhar para a Bay Sters com, você sabe, Ace Greenberg e todos esses nomes. Parece que

Gosto da escola Dalton, se me perguntarem, parece que ele se envolveu com as crianças e eu.

Acho que um deles, uma das crianças, fez algo de errado e depois chantageou os pais, e eu acho

Era assim que ele se virava, se ele tivesse que me perguntar. Quer dizer, eu não sei. Estou só supondo. Um dos seus ex-

Supervisores da Bear Stearns disseram, em um artigo da revista New York Times publicado recentemente, que ele tinha...

oportunidade de acabar com a carreira de Epstein e desejos que ele tinha na época. Eles eles

Eles descobriram que Epstein havia falsificado seu histórico acadêmico. Sim. E ele disse que era o seu maior feito.

um dos seus maiores arrependimentos. Certo. Sim. Que ele não impediu quando podia. E isso foi no...

Início/meados dos anos 80. Sim. E há mais de um, sabe, há mais.

Mais do que uma pessoa que está dizendo isso agora que o pegaram. Eles descobriram que ele era um golpista naquela época.

Obviamente, ninguém sabia naquela época que ele era capaz de cometer o mal em massa que a humanidade representava.

tráfico que acabou acontecendo. Mas havia muitos sinais de alerta ao longo do caminho. E a pergunta

Pergunta: como um cara desses consegue acumular uma fortuna de meio bilhão de dólares, mesmo depois de ter sido pego?

Pelo menos uma vez? E eu examinei alguns dos arquivos. Havia muitas evidências aqui. Essas mulheres eram...

Estávamos tentando divulgar nossa história, você e os outros, mas ninguém nos ouvia. E isso é chocante.

Para mim, é inacreditável que isso tenha acontecido. E acho que tudo se resume a dinheiro, poder, ganância e talvez...

Chantagem. Sim, eu diria que definitivamente houve alguma chantagem ao longo do caminho. Sabe, essas coisas malignas.

As pessoas agem de maneiras muito perversas. E muitos de nós realmente não entendemos isso.

Mas você sabe, onde, sabe, onde eles, como você disse, onde há poder, há ganância, há

corrupção, e você sabe, muita gente atrás de dinheiro. E eu acho que

No fim das contas, Epstein trabalhava para eles, sabe? Você chegou a conhecer Galilea Maxwell?

Muitas vezes. E como era seu relacionamento com ela enquanto tudo isso acontecia? Eu estava muito nervoso com ela porque

Bem, na verdade me disseram que ela era namorada do Epstein. Então, isso só piorou ainda mais a situação.

Tipo, eu estava sendo levada para o quarto desse cara e outras garotas também estavam sendo levadas para lá, e aí, de repente, ele já tinha uma namorada. Foi como se fosse simplesmente...

Era demais para eu lidar. Mas, bem, ficou bastante claro que ela era uma parte importante da operação. Eles estavam trabalhando.

juntos. Sabe, se alguém estivesse no comando, eu diria que era ela, não ele. Aliás, porque ela estava muito longe.

mais instruída. Ela era, sabe, mais eloquente, uma mulher muito, muito bem educada. Epstein era mais...

de um cara simples. Recentemente, Galileain Maxwell

foi transferida para um presídio de segurança mínima, semelhante a uma prisão federal, onde, segundo todos os relatos, ela

tem privilégios que geralmente não são concedidos a alguém que foi

condenado por tráfico humano. Como você se sente ao ver isso?

uma espécie de tratamento preferencial sendo dado a alguém que você sabe que tem

já foi condenada por esse nível de tráfico humano? Bem, acho que se ela fosse ser

Dado esse nível de conforto, ela deveria citar alguns nomes, certo? Sabe, tudo se resume a citar nomes.

e mantendo silêncio. Mas, pensando bem, eu entendo por que ela não conseguiu revelar nomes, porque, adivinhem? A mídia.

Não vou citar nomes. É por isso que tenho minha conta no X e não consigo nem te dizer quantas vezes já fui bloqueado. Sabe,

É por isso que muitas das outras vítimas não conseguem se identificar. Elas não podem falar porque não têm seguidores no X. Elas não têm, sabe, muita gente...

Pessoal, vocês sabem, eu tinha um negócio de comércio eletrônico, então tenho algum conhecimento de algoritmos e coisas do tipo.

Muitas dessas garotas não sabem como divulgar suas histórias e também estão muito assustadas. Elas moram nos Estados Unidos. Sabe, se eu estivesse lá...

Nos Estados Unidos, eu teria muito mais medo. Mas, basicamente, muita gente não consegue se manifestar, mesmo no caso da Maxwell.

Como ela pode se manifestar se a imprensa vai bloquear tudo? Sabe, como ela vai se manifestar se a imprensa não vai...?

Colocar isso lá? Mesmo que a família dela fosse dona dos meios de comunicação, né? Então tenho certeza de que ela conseguiria bolar um plano. Mas enfim,

Se a imprensa não divulgar isso, como você vai divulgar? E é por isso que eu também me manifesto, porque, você sabe,

Vindo de um lugar como a África, o que dizer de todas as outras pessoas que são assassinadas, abusadas e estupradas?

Nem sequer podem falar? Se uma vítima ausente não pode falar nos noticiários, como é que alguém pode falar no [ __ ]

Notícias? Desculpe o palavrão. Sabe, houve um...

Acordo financeiro maciço da herança de Epstein para muitas das vítimas.

Isso melhora alguma coisa? Isso traz algum senso de justiça?

Na sua opinião? Sou muito grato por ter recebido um

acordo, porque também me deu tempo para sair da correria do dia a dia e fazer mais coisas.

pesquisa. Sou muito grato por isso. Mas, sabe, para mim não se trata de

dinheiro. Para mim, é parar de ver esses criminosos sendo presos, sabe, parar

Só para que parassem de machucar as pessoas, sabe, porque eu tinha um processo contra eles.

o espólio de Epstein, mas me disseram claramente que eu não poderia prosseguir com o processo. Havia muitos nomes nesse documento, mas... fui aconselhado

Não prosseguimos com o processo. E eu disse a eles: "Não me importo com o dinheiro. Quero que essas pessoas sejam pegas."

Mas me disseram que eu teria sido rejeitado devido ao prazo de prescrição. Infelizmente, não sei se isso é realmente verdade e se eu deveria ter...

prosseguimos com isso. Mas você fez parte desse acordo e, como você mencionou, isso foi útil.

Para você. Mas será que isso representa justiça, considerando tudo o que lhe foi imposto?

por meio desse homem? Não. Hum, isso me ajudou, me ajudou muito.

E tenho certeza que muitas outras vítimas. Mas a questão é que, quando as meninas se sentem tão perdidas depois de tudo o que passaram,

Tanto estresse, como eles vão conseguir lidar com dinheiro? Não é nada fácil, né? E eu acho também que...

O público também se tornou vítima disso agora, assim como o dinheiro pago às vítimas.

Não me dá nenhuma felicidade, me dá felicidade saber que as vítimas estão

De certa forma, tudo está resolvido e sob os cuidados necessários, mas e o público? E o resto das pessoas que foram enganadas? Elas precisam de ajuda.

Como todos nós já fomos, todos nós já nos tornamos vítimas disso, e eles mentiram e mentiram, e já chega. Sabe, dinheiro.

Pode ajudar um pouco, mas não se trata de dinheiro. Trata-se de justiça. Trata-se de garantir que as crianças não sejam machucadas. É isso que importa.

É sobre isso. O que Jeffrey Epstein e seus comparsas tiraram de você, Juliet?

Sabe, eles me roubaram a inocência, mas jamais poderão roubar minha alma. Jamais me tirarão nada.

Eles tentaram arruinar minha vida. Tentaram me machucar como machucaram muitas outras pessoas.

Mas o que realmente me curou foram as pessoas incríveis que existem no mundo e que se importam de verdade. Tive muitas pessoas bondosas.

A ajuda e o carinho foram essenciais para que eu me reencontrasse, e agradeço a todos por isso.

E por que é tão importante para você continuar a falar sobre isso?

Por um lado, parece que sabemos muito sobre Jeffrey Epstein, ou pelo menos tanto quanto...

Há muito o que saber, mas a cada semana parece haver revelações mais perturbadoras. Você acha que algum dia chegaremos a essa conclusão?

Até o fundo disso? Acho que está acontecendo lentamente, mas

Com certeza. Hum, como eu já disse antes, acho que se a verdade completa viesse à tona, isso quebraria tudo.

A mente de muita gente é confusa porque, sabe, é muito mais complexa e assustadora do que a maioria das pessoas imagina. Isso não é um simples sexo.

tráfico de pessoas. E o tráfico sexual é um crime repugnante, mas vai muito além disso. Esses criminosos têm

muitas filiais para suas organizações. E eu simplesmente acho que quanto mais de nós

Quanto mais nos manifestamos, mais criamos nossa própria mídia. Tipo, sabe, é por isso que sou grato por ter ovos para falar.

Acho que quanto mais pessoas se manifestarem e compartilharem informações, melhor, porque aparentemente a mídia não quer...

entrevistar vítimas de crimes horrendos. E eu acho que a mídia deveria fazer seu trabalho direito e parar de entrevistar.

As vítimas. Você... manteve um diário sobre tudo isso.

E é a base para um livro que será lançado em breve, chamado Borboleta Azul.

Por que manter um diário era tão importante e o que você espera alcançar com este livro?

Bem, a questão é que eu não guardei meu diário daquele ano, mas eu...

Eu não anotava as coisas diariamente, mas anotei algumas coisas, como quando conheci Epstein. Eu não sou assim.

Pessoas que escrevem longos diários, mas o autor escolheu escrevê-los dessa forma por causa do meu diário.

Com a borboleta azul na frente. Só espero que a verdade venha à tona cada vez mais, sabe, em breve. E sim, o livro.

estará disponível em breve. Mas, novamente, há muito mais informações que precisam ser compartilhadas além de apenas...

livro. Sabe, tem muito mais informação. E hum

Sim, eu só espero que todos façam suas próprias pesquisas. Acho que esse é o melhor conselho que posso dar a qualquer pessoa aqui.

is do your own research. You know, when you read something online, don't take it for fact. Go and fact check it and not

just once, fact check it three times, five times. Do proper research. And you

know, my friend who's written the book, she's done some proper research and her book is very much about the scientific

side of things. you know, there's also the spiritual side of things, but um I just think the more and more people who

do research and also just start realizing that we've been lied to through the media, you know, I think

that's the way to to make the world a better place is to realize that we've been very much lied to.

Do you think there's a way that all these very wealthy, powerful, smart people were actually tricked by a

college dropout, Jeffrey? No, absolutely not. These guys are all

criminals. Like when you get one criminal, like you like Sopranos. Was

Tony Soprano the only criminal? No, no, no. It's all of them. It's the band. They come together. They're greedy. They

want the money. You can't just blame one person. There's always a group and you

need to look for the group. And that's what we need to look for here as Epstein's boss. You know, there's been talk about him

being an intelligence agent for MSAD and things like that. Do you believe any of that? Well, Xen told me he worked with

the CIA so very much I believe it because you know CIA and MOSAD are very um they're connected like Robert Maxwell

and Nlie Wexner apparently both worked for the Mossad CIA in the 80s. So yeah,

I mean there's a lot going on with you know that we're not made aware of with these bastards and their criminal organizations like bringing in drugs,

human trafficking, you know there's a lot of money and drugs and human organs and babies by the way guys. you know,

follow the money. And yeah, JP Morgan, there was $1 billion worth of human trafficking transactions between there

and Epstein Morgan's accounts. I mean, between JP Morgan and Epstein's accounts, $1 billion worth of human

trafficking transactions. I think that should be highlighted and I think people need to look into it because human

trafficking transactions, $1 billion, Epstein, JP Morgan.

Do you ever think we'll get to the bottom of this? Do you ever think we'll know, Juliet, the exact truth, the exact

source of Epstein's power? I think it's starting to come out more

and more, but I think the problem is the more and more it comes out, the more and more they try to hurt humanity like with

co and things like that. So the problem is they don't want this being exposed. So

I think it's it it's trickling out. It's trickling and and you know when something starts trickling eventually it

plummets and falls. It will come out. It will. And do you think Galain Maxwell is the

one who knows all? Who could solve a lot of these mysteries, answer a lot of these questions? It would seem she is.

He'll know a lot for sure. She will definitely know a lot. But again, like I was saying, if the media won't interview

me or other victims, are they going to necessarily interview Maxwell of what she has to say? You know, apparently um

Jeffrey Epstein was about to name names. That's why he got killed. You know, are they going to interview people who are

going to name names? No, they're not going to. Do you believe Jeffrey

She might want to name them to get out of prison? You know, if I were, I would name them and get out. Do you think Jeffrey Epstein actually

committed suicide? I think No, no, no. Definitely not

suicide. Um it's either it's either murder or he's alive somewhere. And I've

been recently I was feeling like he's still alive, but now I'm not sure anymore.

I'm not sure. The thing is it definitely wasn't suicide. Absolutely not. That man would never kill himself. He was he was

a megalomaniac. Megleomaniacs don't commit suicide. That's an interesting point. I mean,

everything everything I've seen obviously indicates that it was a suicide. But, you know, again, I'm not the expert on this and there are plenty

of skeptics on the suicide story. I guess this is one of those things that creates this enduring mystery. Juliet,

there's so much to this case and we've taken a pretty good crack at it here, but is there anything else for this

conversation at least that you want people to know about what happened to you and about the Jeffrey Epstein

conspiracy? Thanks so much, Chris. Well, um I think

you you've done an amazing job of covering pretty much everything. And if if you ever want to do a followup, I'm

always um willing to come on. If any, you know, if any of the guests have questions, please send them to Chris.

But um I think most importantly, the thing is that more victims need to speak out here because a lot of the victims

are frightened to speak out. You know, a lot of them are not able to. A lot of people have had to sign agreements giving away their freedom of speech.

But there's certain ways you can speak out, you know, and I just think the more

people who speak out, the better because if we if we don't speak out, then who

will? And and it's not just about the victims, it's about the public as well. It's about everyone right now because

this is it's really hurt people's minds. It's hurt people's heads. It's it's been such a a horrible lie everything that's

been going on. And I think the more people who speak out, the better. And the more pieces of the puzzle that come

together, the better. And thank you, Chris, for helping to put the pieces of the puzzle. Well, thank you, Juliet Bryant, for having a seat with me. I appreciate it.

You take care of yourself over there in South Africa, and we will stay in touch. I promise. Okay,

perfect. Thank you so much, Chris. Juliet Bryant and the rest of the survivors of the

A teoria da conspiração de Epstein sempre terá um lugar aqui para se sentar comigo. Obrigado por se juntar a mim. Novamente, é muita coisa para...

É muita coisa para assimilar. E, sabe, nossa, essa história não vai desaparecer tão cedo. Pelo que sabemos agora,

Há muito mais para descobrir. Vejo vocês na próxima semana aqui no "Have a Seat with Chris".

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