um
maybe the babies I had it would be hard
to imagine more misery and suffering
than what Theresa says she's had to
endure and us kids would be made to
do things with the adults and the
animals and then
U what Happ
happon were these
animal animals and um people on what
scale do you think this was happening
enormous far beyond what we've ever
heard of here before Teresa's mother
Bridget you're talking yes on a scale
that this country's never heard of
before like the old people's homes now I
mean for the first time Teresa is
learning what it's like to live with
love instead of fear pretty in this
quiet English village with the help of
her mother she's slowly repairing her
broken
life Teresa is now 15 but at the age of
two she was left in the care of this
woman the grandma she called Nan and
that she says is when a torment
started who was the leader who was uh
who was the boss of the gang of the
cult at home it was my nan your
nan made
you
yeah um like goats and
donkeys the story of Teresa is a story
almost too horrible to recount a case of
that goes well beyond the kind of things
we normally associate with
the in 27 years of reporting it has to
be one of the most painful stories I
have ever had to
tell how many men or how many people
would well at one time
yes but everyone who was there which
must have been about
20 you know from 10 to 20 people if it
was a a big ceremony it used to be 30
what would your grandma be doing when
these
men usually
laughing or
smiling or with another
man or other men a Chronicle of and
depravity so horrific it's hard to
believe you have to ask yourself could
Teresa be just making it up no
I know what's true and what's
not now I know what I saw children don't
make up elaborate lies that this would
have to be if it was a lie which I I
know it is not it isn't this couldn't be
a terrible dream a nightmare that you're
reliving
no it's no
dream it's a nightmare but it's it's not
one you can wake up
from it's there all the
time this really happened you're quite
sure of that
yeah the police don't think Teresa made
up a story some of the cult members are
to stand trial five men have been
charged with as for Nan the grandmother
she's 61 and lives in this Council flat
in South London she's charged on S
counts
of and two counts of performing on
Teresa if you're finding this hard to
believe so did I at first but then there
are the medical reports evidence of
sustained and there's this a statement
prepared for 60 minutes by Theresa
psychiatrist it says in in my opinion
Theresa's account is not the product of
a psychotic illness nor the figment of a
fertile imagination I believe her to be
telling the
truth I know what's true and what's not
we also took Theresa's story to this man
therapist Ray wi he reads a transcript
of our interview and listens to her
voice it's no dream few people of any in
Britain have counseled as many
victim as Ry wi has if there is an
expert on satanic Cults it would have to
be him do you believe Theresa's story I
believe Theresa's story it's exactly the
same story as I've heard from Men Who
Says they've done it you've dealt with
other cases like hers yes 21 cases like
hers he says in the past two years alone
themes like they were put in boxes with
spiders and worms where they were
trapped in fear where there was a high
use of excrement and urine where there
was talk
of both of take just one of those
rituals putting children in boxes with
spiders and worms now listen to what
Teresa told her mother and they had a
coffin like box that children would put
in with spiders and snakes and the lid
shot and left in there I would have come
out
deranged I could not coped with that
mentally at all you have evidence to
back up stories like Theresa that this
is really happening well we have that
age of child 6 five and four giving
information that ties up with Theresa
how do those children
know how do those children able to
describe rituals to talk about
ceremonies to talk
about how do those children know
nightmares imagining it you can't
imagine those things at at three and
four years old and you also don't have
the
evidence abuse and all that other abuse
that clearly those children have
experienced and endured during these
ceremonies was Satan the devil ever
referred
to he was called
Lucifer um
what did they say about the devil about
Lucifer that people made him
happy to talk about according to Teresa
the worst rituals took place at a house
somewhere in the country it was big you
know
expensive from the front it look like a
castle you know I had a long drive and
big double wooden doors do you you think
they were rich people then very
[Applause]
rich now where was this big house
somewhere in the
country Teresa says she can't take the
police there because the Satanist made
sure she'd never know how to find
it Teresa was always drugged or on
couple of occasions she says she was
knocked out
um so that she never fully knew the
route there was a [ __ ] who was bought
in
once he's cut from his throat down to
his
stomach and
I I at him bits of him the man had a
ceremony yeah in front of you yeah in
front of all of all of us did the [ __ ]
did this man fight back no I think he
was you know drunk or something he
seemed really Dopey he was laughing a
lot when he was brought
in
and he started screaming when they began
to
cut but after a
while I'd seen a few
before
then although I wasn't used to it it you
know that was the worst
one I really don't know what I
thought suppose I thought thank God it's
not me let me get this right now are you
saying that you saw more than one
person
yeah I've seen um loads of
babies killed there
just newborn
babies or aborted ones which were only
small you know four year
olds any age really did they ever say
they might kill you uh they threatened
to kill my little girl who's when I left
was still at the house a
friend huh what little girl my little
girl Alex she's about four
now you mean you had a child
yeah how old were you when you had that
child
11 motherhood at the age of 11 I never
talked but from what Teresa told her
mother it wasn't the only pregnancy we
think um about seven or eight
times it's hard to
say um it was constantly happening from
the time she was capable of being
pregnant what happened to the
pregnancies to the
babies um they were
aborted by my n or by one of the doctors
at the house there were doctors there at
that house yeah there was um two I think
yeah and
the and a
nurse what would happen to the fetuses
the unborn
babies I used to be taken away most of
the time and one time baby was taken out
me and then killed in front of
me cuz it was still alive and then what
would happen well after they killed it
they would eat it
we were also made to eat
it you were made to eat your own
fetus
yeah who made you do
this my
name you'd think the one person in the
world you could leave a little girl with
would be Grandma someone to get give her
love and protect her from harm yet when
Teresa was left to live with her
grandmother they might as well have
handed her to the Devil Himself gr for
you know sweet old lady gray hair Rosy
Cheeks holding her arms out to love her
grandchildren and it was exactly the
reverse but why was Teresa living with
Nan in the first place and not with her
mother well when uh my first marriage
broke up um I I took the children with
me and couldn't cope so I gave them to
their father who in turn moved to his
mothers to Nan's Place yeah and when he
left the Nan's place um he left the
children there how do he feel now
towards her grandma and the other people
who who did all those things to your
daughter oh they disgust me they are the
worst form of life this Earth has had
the Misfortune to
create
I
vile did you ever try to to run away you
must have been must have been frightened
a couple of times I did but my uncle he
caught me and brought me back going to
the
police did that occur to you no
no I thought it was normal you know even
though I didn't like it
you
know I mean you don't like to eat greens
but you know somewh you know you thought
I thought it was just her being called
to be kind or something like that she
said to me it was something that
everybody did she thought you know like
you don't like going to school with a
dentist you don't like going to the
black
masses it was never any different I
didn't have nothing to compare it to all
part of life Teresa thought even a
miscarriage one day at school yeah I
asked the teacher if I could go to the
toilet and she allowed me
out I went into the toilet
and um the baby was in my nickas
and I thought it was dead but it it
wasn't it was still moving and yet had
no one at school knew no saw anything no
or if they did they didn't
say she was treated for a high
temperature you
fever nothing more what did she do with
the baby she kept her for a while
because she was frightened that they'd
use the child as part of the rituals so
uh she turned pencil case into a little
coffin apparently uh she put roses in to
make her smell sweet put a letter with
her pictures of
herself and her
brother picture of
me and then I put it down the
shoot cuz I didn't want my name to get
it as we said earlier the police have
already charged some members of The Cult
and we know they're also investigating
Teresa's accounts
of if there were as many as she told us
then the satanists had a problem problem
how did they get rid of the bodies they
had um a tub you know pretty big I don't
know a fairly big tub and they used to
put the bodies and Bones in
there and it used to go like you know
fiz in
it and then there was nothing left
Teresa's story her account doesn't
really surprise you it doesn't surprise
me in the light of uh anic abuse now do
you get frustrated with people who just
won't accept that these things do happen
yes because I I've worked with murderers
in prisons for years not that long ago a
boy was found in a forest in Southern
England without a head we have no doubts
that men can do that and yet when we
start talking about men within Satanism
who actually believe in evil and it's
the right to express evil we suddenly
have a a
doubt as I was leaving Teresa's place
she handed me this note it's addressed
to the film
crew she says thanks for bothering to
help kids like me I hope it helps on the
other side there's a poem Teresa made up
while she was staying at Nan's place she
calls it nothing
left nothing left I would scream but
there is no voice left I would cry but
there are no tears left
odd fight but there is no strength
left that was just part of our
investigation of Satanism in Britain
we're also Gathering evidence about the
activities of such Cults here in
Australia
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